tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25560965.post6057982812553947166..comments2023-05-05T00:45:20.298-07:00Comments on Caught by the Light: A Conversation over the DivideBr Richard Edward Helmer BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04603206783767329399noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25560965.post-9620048801420178242007-02-10T21:32:00.000-08:002007-02-10T21:32:00.000-08:00Josh,Yes, I saw it. christopher+ actually opened ...Josh,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I saw it. christopher+ actually opened with the 39 articles -- not a tack I would take, mind you, but his point was taken from a question of sacramental validity.<BR/><BR/>As I understand it, John 2007 is arguing for pastoral reasons that he cannot accept the sacramental (or pastoral, at least) authority of someone (in this discussion, say, +Gene Robinson) whose committed relationship he disagrees with. I'm not sure he's arguing people's sex lives are the <I>heart</I> of the Church's mission, but that encouraging people to lead chaste lives according to his understanding of the tradition is <I>part</I> of the mission at he sees it.<BR/><BR/>Needless to say, I don't agree with his arguments! <BR/><BR/>I only write this in as much as I want to be sure we're not reading too much into them.Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474786207149076221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25560965.post-74441039714121010972007-02-10T19:53:00.000-08:002007-02-10T19:53:00.000-08:00Good grief, Richard, did you even see this?"those ...Good grief, Richard, did you even see this?<BR/><BR/>"those who dissent from the direction ECUSA is taking with regard to sexual ethics and sexual morality, think that part of our mission--and at the heart of our mission--is to call people to repentance and holiness in their sexual lives. That is--I know it is for me--right at 'the missional work in front of us.'"<BR/><BR/>He thinks the heart of the Church's mission has to do with people's sex lives. <BR/><BR/>And you're arguing the 39 Articles? My goodness, what silliness results when two M.Divs start debating.<BR/><BR/>Josh ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25560965.post-13005416314703483502007-02-09T13:48:00.000-08:002007-02-09T13:48:00.000-08:00I agree with you. I sometimes think that people t...I agree with you. I sometimes think that people think we are arguing for anything goes sexuality. As a gay man and a fairly new Episcopalian, it's not. Sex without commitment and love is outside the bounds. Also, and I can't emphasize this enough, if we split, we lose a valuable witness that can teach us all. I've learned a great deal from evangelical members of my parish. Their way of prayer and reliance on Scripture have illuminated my own journey. Let's pray for the Primates and keep worshipping together and see what new things are done in our church and relationships.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com